Debates with Capitalist Conservatives, Vol.2- Chapter 2

Volume 2 - Chapter 2

Behold, the masses (Their identities shall be concealed for their own
protection):

Topic: NBC's Golf Tournament Pledge of Allegiance

-Tim E-fat Smith

There shouldn't have to be a "pledge" to begin with.
Mankind should have enough mental capacity to operate independently without having to recite some ritual, some holy chant.
Surely we have evolved as a species to acknowledge free will & thought rather than relying on patriotic (fascist) psychology.
Now that "under God" was removed, there drew up a high level of hostility.
Seems counter-productive to argue about an omission like this, if in fact, living "under God" is an absolute truth.
Is the sky blue? Yes
Are lemons sour? You betcha
Living "under God"? Well....Some say yes, some say no.

·  Kathy H.

O.K. who made the sky blue and the lemons sour? Science every day is evolving to the belief that all this just didn't happen, it had to be designed and planned. So again I ask who made the sky blue and the lemons sour?

-Tim E-fat Smith

Electro-signals tell our brains that it is sour.
Gravitational and atmospheric conditions create the hues in the sky.
Saying some merciful (and recently, quite vengeful) entity created....everything, is too simple and doesn't challenge the brain.
God has no place on national broadcasting, keep it on the 700-Club or something.
That way it can appeal to a target audience.  

-Jan P. 

all people who believe in GOD including golfers should have walked off that tournament but thats right we dont stand up to our beliefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Kathy H.

O.K. Who made the electro-signals that tell my brain that it is sour and the gravity and atmospheric conditions that create the hues in the sky? God has every place in our whole world because He not only created it He owns it. As for vengeful, does a father not punish a child? We make our own choices, making the one to deny His presence and not accept His love and forgiveness is an eternal one.

-Jan P.

be still and know i am GOD

-Jan P.

you said it kathy we need to pray for who ever did that as hard as it will be to pray for them

-Liz W.

Thank you, NBC, for omitting "under God" - wording that was added to the Pledge in 1954 during the McCarthy era. The "under God" wording unnecessarily excludes millions of Americans who don't believe the nation is under a deity. Don't be bullied by a million comments presenting only one point of view. The version of the pledge that you ran - the original one - is actually inclusive of all Americans. Bravo!

-Kathy H.

We need to pray for our country, it is going to hell in a hand basket. Too many people want to deny who, what, when and why this country came about and what made it the country it is today, or should I say was 30 years ago. Since then it has been torn to shreds by the people crying politically correct at Gods expense. I pity those that never get it, God loves them but making the wrong choice is a mistake with eternal ramifications.

-Jan Samonie Panek

yes unfortunately there are ignorant people who dont get it but it is in GODs hands

-Tim E-fat Smith

"under God" influenced a fellowship towards God & country, something people desperately needed during those turbulent times 50-years ago.
That also brought in many of the standards of Capitalism that has also run amok lately.
Thus being mandated into American society as the "go-to" source for reasoning and some sheer veil granting us instant stability.
Faith in God should have been designated differently, as a hobby or past-time.

-Ace S.

Our forefathers insistence on a separation of Church and State DOES NOT mean that no one is allowed to publicly declare a belief in a god. The founding fathers came here from a country where the church was run by the state (Church of England), where religious beliefs were mandated by law. The religious persecution is what they fled, not the belief in God. Nowhere in our constitution does it say that political leaders, schools or even television broadcast companies are not allowed to have or state religious beliefs, only that you cannot be forced by the state to adhere to a specific religion. To insist that any utterance of a belief in God by anyone in any position of public service is unconstitutional is ludicrous.


-Andrew R. 

boooo NBC!


-Tim E-fat Smith 

The early states were already divided concerning religious beliefs. 
Thus the need to prohibit the federal government, or any national institution, to take sides with any one religion. There's so many tribes & denominations here in America, you can't stamp all of the public addresses with one type of God. Oh wait, there doing it anyway, looks like money talks, huh? Funny we are still up and arms about this matter 200-years later and still going nowhere fast...

-Jan P.

tim smith there will allways be a divide between GOD you know as will as i the people coming in our country now dont like GOD or JESUS and we are expected to change thats wrong you can talk about way back when all you want im talking now

-Charlie K.

Tim
this will be my last reply to the topic, because I feel enough has been said. Also, NBC does not deserve any recognition which may prompt further episodes. I will continue to evade NBC stations, networks and those who purchase advertizing space with them.
Although you seem to be an intelegent person, Just like many in your camp you have chosen to be where you are today. I do say that is your right. Remain where you are until the end of time. If I am wrong then what have I hurt. If you are wrong, whoa to you on the last day. Oh, by the way you "will" bow your knee.
'nough said. Good talking to you and all the others. Keep the faith. and, never throw pearls to ...........

-Tim E-fat Smith

Amen to that. Throw salt over my shoulder. Burn the candle on my mantle. Do the hokey-pokey and turn my self around...

 

 (to be continued......)

 

Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian!

I wish she is able to have her own show on network television very soon.
So much class!
Finally, I now understand all of my options available to me while trying to fulfill a traditional and wholesome marriage that's approved by all.

Thank you Mrs. Betty Bowers, I will also need to find your hotline number as I have a few questions that only you can answer on the "No Sin Zone"!

Christian Leader Responds to New York Gay Marriage

Peter Sprigg of "Family Research Council".....

How vague of a title for an organization, its basically code for "we don't want no freakin' queers getting married" Council...

The Brick Testament

An excellent site to educate the young of the word of God and Christ.....through Lego.

http://www.bricktestament.com/

http://www.bricktestament.com/

http://www.bricktestament.com/

 

Harrisburg mayor asks God to balance the budget

A Pennsylvania town's budget has ballooned out of proportion and the Mayor has made a critical decision to help solve their financial crisis:
Forming a hunger strike for 3-days?
Sacrificing hunger pains for fiscal responsibility, really?

Debates with Capitalist Conservatives, Vol. 3

• I will be chronicling my conversations with those who appear to be unaware of social awareness, and quite surprisingly, comfortable with our current system of administration thank you very much!
  
  Behold, the masses (Their identities shall be concealed for their own protection):

  Topic: Constitution, Smonsitution

   

   
  * Tim E-fat Smith

  Constitution, Smonsitution: Its theory and the parchment its written on are both tragically outdated...
  
  Its "freedoms" and "rights" described within have become corrupted over the past centuries.
  Silly rabbit...
  You actually have no rights, its kinda a scam really, all set in place to collect tax dollars from the majority of the populace...
  
  http://evilforalltime.blogspot.com/
  
  Marxist fundamentals with modern sarcasm advocating equality in multiple fronts.
  Its about time to spread awareness between Ultra-Communistic and Marxists ideals.

• Rj R.

  What?

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  Christopher A.

  Thx for that pile of Bullshit.

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  Tim E-fat Smith

  K....any responses with some substance?

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  Christopher A.

  Well, to be fair, your post doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. Could you please briefly re-state what you mean. I really didn't get what you meant with that last part.

  
  
• Rj R. 

  Yeah thats what I am asking too, I am not quite sure what you mean. Are you pro Marx or anti Marx?

  
  
• Christopher A. 

  I'm neither. I like some the things Marx wrote and some I thought was kind of dumb. I think he had good ambitions. Communism was a complete failure though.
  

  
  
• Rj R. 

  I personally am a full on Communist. Technically I can't be considered a Marxist because I don't agree with the dictatorship of the proletariat and some other characteristics, but I pretty much agree on almost everything else. The tendency I describe myself with is Anarcho-Communism, because I am also an Anarchist. What was it you were talking about up in your original post? It sounds interesting.
  

• Christopher A

  Communism doesn't work. I love and respect Noam Chomsky, but I just think the 20th century utterly proved the superiority of capitalism to communism.

  
  
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  Tim E-fat Smith

  Capitalism has fallen, its caused the insurgency of involving American troops into an unnecessary Holy War. All based on oil resources & territory.
  The housing market forecast is going further down the toilet, allowing certain sectors to benefit from the financial disaster.
  Ultra-Communistic dictators murdered and plundered for social advancement.
  A clear difference between Left Communist & Right Communist ideals, the blog speaks for itself as well.

• Christopher A.

  Capitalism has built this modern world we live in. Communism, I whole heartedly believe, was a reaction to the emergence of unrestrained capitalism. Since that time, countries with capitalist economies have instituted social welfare programs in order to placate those who do not flourish in the capitalist model. I'm a supporter of such programs and the formation of unions. These political institutions act as a counterweight to the heartless nature of capitalism.
  
  Capitalism isn't the cause for America's middle-eastern wars. Regardless, the costs associated with such conflicts aren't small, but they aren't overly significant either. America's debt crisis is due to low taxes more than anything. We definitely have much to work on as a nation. There are still many issues to address, but overall, capitalism will remain. It's all about efficiency. Communism isn't efficient and the product of communism has been workers who show little initiative. Research the problems of integration Germany has had. The former Communist East Germans are not willing to work as hard and produce as well as Western Germans. This has caused considerable tension because they are now having to compete. In East Germany, they were used to being paid the same wage and guaranteed a job regardless of performance. Thus, there is no incentive to work hard. Another issue is that Central planning simply fails. It always has. If you can somehow get over these hurdles and create an efficient, innovative, communist economy, then hey man my hat's off to you. I just don't think it's going to happen.

  
  
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  Tim E-fat Smith

  We've based our way of living that revolves around the dollar. Human beings devalue themselves in order to obtain said dollars, turning us into cut-throat buffoons by every generation.
  Capitalism is the bastard child of feudalism from the Medieval times, where you are valued by land & resource accumulation.
  Capitalism is a heartless monster that chews up society, digests it, and spits it out leaving the land barren and uninhabitable.
  Money, in a grand sense, is stupid, makes mankind simple-minded like a host of piranhas.
  I'm all about intercontinental commerce, but in light of Capitalism, outsourcing has been a common form of action for American companies. They are willing to amputate their left foot in order to keep the head CEOs profits alive.
  Levels of class create a division between human beings, we are all one, and we should fellowship in advancing society. Minus the unnecessary monarchy.
  
  In regards to our original topic: Our treasured Constitution are chalk full of no-brainer, moot stand-points. Hello, free speech and slavery are obvious subject matters. Progressive times require a new doctrine, a new "Magna Carta" in a sense. 

  (to be continued.....)

Debates with Capitalist Conservatives, Vol. 2

I will be chronicling my conversations with those who appear to be unaware of things to come, and quite surprisingly, comfortable with our current system of administration thank you very much!

Behold, the masses (Their identities shall be concealed for their own protection):

Topic: NBC's Golf Tournament Pledge of Allegiance

• Charlie K.

  If the apology posted actually came from the NBC corporate heads then they are the ones to blame. Network heads can not tell me that the decision was made from below their level without prior knowledge. I am certain in my opinion that many, many had reviewed this shameful indignity to our country. Give us all a break and just admit the truth, in my opinion the deed was done with every intention to receive the publicity it has gotten. Never will I watch the many networks that NBC owns.
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  Tim E-fat Smith

  It was 1892.
  "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
  The original Pledge.
  No God.

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  Charlie K.

  I am well aware of that. President Eisenhower asked the congress to change the original in the nineteen fifties. It has not been changed back to original in 2011 by anyone, and should not be change just because the editor has a need to satisfy the few.

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  Charlie K.

  Dear Tim,
  Given your profile, I do now understand the view you have taken. I apologize for any wrong doing done to you in the past.
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  Tim E-fat Smith

  Modern politicians are constantly trying to evoke the need to stand by our original Constitution as its stated.
  Mandating the need of separation between church and state.
  Church stays @ home, not broadcast to the masses.

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  Tonya A.

  I totally disagree. By removing "under God" you are removing the truth and this nation was founded under our freedom to worship him. The reason you dont want to acknowledge God is cause you dont want to acknowledge the truth. I would much rather have Jesus and find out he wasnt real (which wont happen) then be without him and find out hes real and go to hell. your choice. i think the "under God" should stay and yes. im glad people think christians are trying to take over. maybe the country will do better with a little honesty. my 2 cents worth.
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  Tim E-fat Smith

  Thomas Jefferson wrote "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."
  
  Meaning he didn't want a presiding entity (i.e. national broadcasting network) to overstep our rights for religious liberty. Not everyone agrees with religion, therefore NBC is neutral ground.

  Charlie K.

  Dear mister E-fat Smith
  You are, I assume, a constitutionalists.
  Therefore there is no need to ask as to why you have taken a humanist view.
  Please do not judge me as though I feel as though the words "under God" are just a religious view of mine, but a patriotic view.
  Adherence to the laws of this great land is more my purpose. The pledge is at this time, does indeed, contain the words you have found so offensive.
  Because they maybe offensive to you, you have a right to privately not to say them. NBC who has publicly used it's format to lead others in the pledge of allegiance, may not have the same right.
  With thorough know ledge of this, (and I do hope you understand)you must agree that to do other than the "in effect" pledge at this time is treasonous.
  You are given the right to contact your Congressional Representatives to ask them to institute laws that reflect you point of view.
  Perhaps by the time you have changed the pledge we will be one nation with only one viewpoint. Yours'.
  Until then do not expect others to admonish this unpatriotic act of treason or go unerringly down your road.
  Again, I must ask for forgiveness for any portion you have lost in your life, that while living in this wonderful country, if indeed the pledge has done so.
  If you are so very adamant to live in a country that does not support the knowledge of, and bestow words of acknowledgement to a supreme being, feel free to move about the world as you see necessary.

  
  

  Tim E-fat Smith

  There shouldn't have to be a "pledge" to begin with.
  Mankind should have enough mental capacity to operate independently without having to recite some ritual, some holy chant.
  Surely we have evolved as a species to acknowledge free will & thought rather than relying on patriotic (fascist) psychology.
  Now that "under God" was removed, there drew up a high level of hostility.
  Seems counter-productive to argue about an omission like this, if in fact, living "under God" is an absolute truth.
  Is the sky blue? Yes
  Are lemons sour? You betcha
  Living "under God"? Well....Some say yes, some say no.

   (to be continued.....)